Presilience® and Managing Violence | Joe Saunders

How often do Judo skills really pay the bills? How should protectors enhance their own de-escalation capabilities and what does the term Presilience mean?

We were honoured to speak with Joe Saunders, Host of the Managing Violence Podcast, in person live in London as part of his European tour to answer questions including:

  • To what extent is Presilience creative problem solving?
  • What is the difference between resilience and Presilience?
  • Do companies still treat compliance as the ‘goal’ rather than the baseline?
  • How important is it to still have the skills of being able to deploy violence against aggressors anymore?
  • Is there an application for managing your Principal and their expectations?
  • How can we persuade potential aggressors that we are not good targets?
  • Does everyone need to learn how to escape from a bear hug?
  • How big a part of Presilience is de-escalation?
  • If a self defence move takes more than 2 steps would the average person be able to remember it in a crisis?
  • How should protectors operate in environments where use of force is prohibited?

More about Joe Saunders:

The Managing Violence Podcast was launched in 2018 by violence management specialist and lifelong martial artist, Joe Saunders. Having dedicated his working life to protecting the vulnerable and educating the world about the realities of violence, Joe established the Managing Violence Podcast as the preeminent destination for interviews with true global thought leaders in self-protection – from the hard skills to the soft skills and everything in between.  

Joe Saunders started training martial arts at the age of four, created a “Playground Police” force to protect bullied kids at the age of six, and has been fascinated with violence management and protection ever since. As an undergraduate psychology student in Brisbane, Australia, Joe took a part-time job bouncing in local nightclubs. This exposure to real-world violence fanned the flames of his desire to protect and led him into roles including executive protection, armed protection, hospital security and senior violence management education roles. 

Today, Joe works for one of Australia’s leading risk management consultancies, Risk 2 Solution. He is the State Manager for Victoria and Tasmania as well as the National Practise Lead for Occupational Violence and Aggression. He consults Federal and State government clients, as well as private enterprise on a full-time basis. 

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